Of course Dennis, he's HOT HOT HOT. Very cutting edge New York celebrity photographer. He's not someone that would be appreciated on FC. Some of his peers have made celebrity photographer appearances on FC, and were not very welcomed. As I've often said in the past, it's the rule breakers and mavericks that get noticed and end up being remembered in museums. Art isn't always polished pretty to hang in the family room or the doctor's office.
I wouldn't expect you to be impressed with Terry Richardson Ruud, he doesn't follow the Cardinal rules, would be a major enigma, and his pictures are often intentionally very provocative, raw and amateurish. He's making the bucks and molding a lot of the advertising imagery Americans (and a lot of the world) see.
I wouldn't expect you to be impressed with Terry Richardson Ruud, he doesn't follow the Cardinal rules, would be a major enigma, and his pictures are often intentionally very provocative, raw and amateurish. He's making the bucks and molding a lot of the advertising imagery Americans (and a lot of the world) see.
18.03.06, 14:51
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Yes predictably myself and a few friends had a look and feel the same as Ruud. I agree they are VERY raw, amateurish and some are provocative, but maybe they need to be provocative to be noticed like a lot of contemporary work. :0(
I dont call that RAW or provocative.
Tasteless and cheap are more the words that come to mind with me. Unfortunately nowadays too often RAW and provocative are used as a synonyme for missing style.
Too often i see these kind of things being picked up by a few people with influence who turn this into a hype and always a group of followers is found, if it is only for the fact that they want to be part of the crowd.
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Tasteless and cheap are more the words that come to mind with me. Unfortunately nowadays too often RAW and provocative are used as a synonyme for missing style.
Too often i see these kind of things being picked up by a few people with influence who turn this into a hype and always a group of followers is found, if it is only for the fact that they want to be part of the crowd.
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Sorry boys, shows how shallow you are in your view of photography. This self taught photographer may very well be very much about sex and I'm sure you see no talent in his primitive camera photography, but his raw photography is in high demand. He's been called pornographic or a "genital" photographer, but he gets down to the pure essence of his subjects. Terri Richardson is the IT photographer, at least Gucci, French Vogue, Vogue Homme, Tommy Hilfiger, Harper's Bazaar and celebrities like Justin Timberlake, Caroline Herrera, Nike, designer Hormone Korine, Cloe Sevign and a ton of others in the fashion and commercial world clamor for him. Look in any high couture magazine.
He is this generation's mix of Maplethorpe and Scavolo. He'll go down as a WHOS WHO of Photography, along with his father, renounded photographer Bob Richardson.
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He is this generation's mix of Maplethorpe and Scavolo. He'll go down as a WHOS WHO of Photography, along with his father, renounded photographer Bob Richardson.
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Sorry Wen, i dont agree with you ! 8-))
19.03.06, 00:31
Post 36 of 104
LOL .. neither do I - and I wondered when we would be described as shallow or narrow-minded because we don't appreciate a poor image of someone's crotch as valued contemporary art - 5 words in I think ... ;0)
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Well guys, Wen is right.
I agree with her totally.
Also :
Anna Molinari
APC
Baby Phat
Banana Republic
Black Prince
Carolina Herrera
Chloe
Club Monaco
Costume National
Eres
Gucci
H&M
Hugo Boss
Hysterical Glamour
Jigsaw
Katherine Hamnett
Kenneth Cole
Levi's
Matsuda
Miu Miu
Nike
Sisley
Stussy
Supreme
Tommy Hilfiger
Commericals, Music Videos:
The Blues Explosion
Death in Vegas
Primal Scream
Queens of the Stone Age
Sisley
Tommy Hilfiger
Wanadoo
Whirlwind Heat
Magazines:
America
Another Magazine
Arena Homme Plus
Black Book
Butt
Doingbird
Dune
Dutch
The Face
GQHarper's Bazaar
i-D
Index
Numero
Nylon
Pop
Purple
Rolling Stone
Self Service
Spin
Teen Vogue
V
V Man
Vice
Vogue
Vogue Paris
Vogue Britain
Vogue Nippon
AND
Vogue HommeW
All agree with Wen & i
One day i will be drinking a beer with him and saying "op je gezicht!" (translated : "on your face", something me and my friends say instead of "Cheers! on your health")
:)
Greets
Dennis
[fc-foto:5110083]
a Request. Guys when people like Terry Richardson would come onto FC. let them be so i can at least get in tocuh with them
don't scare them away ok ;)
Bye
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I agree with her totally.
Also :
Anna Molinari
APC
Baby Phat
Banana Republic
Black Prince
Carolina Herrera
Chloe
Club Monaco
Costume National
Eres
Gucci
H&M
Hugo Boss
Hysterical Glamour
Jigsaw
Katherine Hamnett
Kenneth Cole
Levi's
Matsuda
Miu Miu
Nike
Sisley
Stussy
Supreme
Tommy Hilfiger
Commericals, Music Videos:
The Blues Explosion
Death in Vegas
Primal Scream
Queens of the Stone Age
Sisley
Tommy Hilfiger
Wanadoo
Whirlwind Heat
Magazines:
America
Another Magazine
Arena Homme Plus
Black Book
Butt
Doingbird
Dune
Dutch
The Face
GQHarper's Bazaar
i-D
Index
Numero
Nylon
Pop
Purple
Rolling Stone
Self Service
Spin
Teen Vogue
V
V Man
Vice
Vogue
Vogue Paris
Vogue Britain
Vogue Nippon
AND
Vogue HommeW
All agree with Wen & i
One day i will be drinking a beer with him and saying "op je gezicht!" (translated : "on your face", something me and my friends say instead of "Cheers! on your health")
:)
Greets
Dennis
[fc-foto:5110083]
a Request. Guys when people like Terry Richardson would come onto FC. let them be so i can at least get in tocuh with them
don't scare them away ok ;)
Bye
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19.03.06, 03:29
Post 38 of 104
Hi Dennis - firstly Wen has her opinion, which she is entitled to but to say she is 'right' is just an opinion and not a statement of fact, that is YOUR opinion and gladly I am happy to concede that you are entitled to that also :0) I am suitably impressed by the long list of publications, organisations and people that you have given ... all I can say is that on the basis of the link I was given I found talentless trash 'in my opinion'. I think that is the best way we can strike a balance and say each to his own. Needless to say I am not shallow or narrow-minded and already intended to look further into the work of Terry Richardson, as I always do when confronted with such names from members on this site - I can't be fairer than that. Goodnight Dennis, regards, Paul.
P.S.
On a general note - conversations like this make the FC very interesting and are unavoidable on a site with such diverse members. I hope that these conversations continue and remain in the amiable and good spirited manner this remains up to now. I, for one, appreciate your, and Wen's, opinions and obvious talents, regardless of whether I agree with you or not. Take this note as a genuine scentiment and we will hopefully have many more of these threads and the forums will be 'buzzing' :0)
P.S.
On a general note - conversations like this make the FC very interesting and are unavoidable on a site with such diverse members. I hope that these conversations continue and remain in the amiable and good spirited manner this remains up to now. I, for one, appreciate your, and Wen's, opinions and obvious talents, regardless of whether I agree with you or not. Take this note as a genuine scentiment and we will hopefully have many more of these threads and the forums will be 'buzzing' :0)
i tried looking some images up from google but couldnt find any.
i do have magazines with photographs he made for the adds, maybe i can take some pics of them and post them so you can see them..?
I think its cool that someone like him, gets all these celebrities in front of his (cheap) camera. and gets his photographs used for magazines.. just cool.
I just found a quote from a review about his book Terryworld:
"Terry is amused that the whole fashion circus regards his pictures as the dernier cri. But it also makes him cocky. 'Sex? What else? We are all interested in it. Why have my pants got a hole in the front?'"
Stern Spezial Fotografie
Germany
Wich tells me that the fashion worlds wants his photographs.
They are really contemporary.
With "Real" sincere people.
Ofcourse not everybody can like what he does, but the ones used for magazines are great.
no hard feelings,
lets get the buzzing in action!
Buzzz
Dennis
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i do have magazines with photographs he made for the adds, maybe i can take some pics of them and post them so you can see them..?
I think its cool that someone like him, gets all these celebrities in front of his (cheap) camera. and gets his photographs used for magazines.. just cool.
I just found a quote from a review about his book Terryworld:
"Terry is amused that the whole fashion circus regards his pictures as the dernier cri. But it also makes him cocky. 'Sex? What else? We are all interested in it. Why have my pants got a hole in the front?'"
Stern Spezial Fotografie
Germany
Wich tells me that the fashion worlds wants his photographs.
They are really contemporary.
With "Real" sincere people.
Ofcourse not everybody can like what he does, but the ones used for magazines are great.
no hard feelings,
lets get the buzzing in action!
Buzzz
Dennis
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Well, firstly, it's not MY opinion that matters on Terri Richardson, and there is nothing in my previous post that says anything about how I (and I should be in bold and underlined)feel about Terri Richardson. You fellows really confuse what is presented as MY personal views, and I often get attacked for it. I'm not going to let you do it again to me without standing my ground. I don't care what the two of you think about me or what I think. I do care about how you tend to shut down the creativity of others. What I stated is nothing that hasn't been said before. What matters are the facts, he is a highly regarded photographer of his time and in extensive demand. His work is plastered on billboards and fill high fashion magazines. I don't think he gives a rat's a@@ about any of our thoughts, and what we say won't change that he will in fact be someone that is listed as a photographer that had an impact on the direction of couture photography history. My point is that we often have celebrity photographers and artists that come to this site that end up shaking their head and leaving because of the narrow views of some very outspoken members. Not everyone's work has to appeal to the masses to be art, and art isn't always pretty. There is a big difference between knowing all the rules, doing textbook photography and knowing the rules then intentionally breaking them. The website Dennis showed is a series of highly provocative, often rude images that attack sexual boundaries. In general they ARE technically bad, but that doesn't make them bad pictures. If you look at Terri Richardson's commercial work you see he knows his stuff. It's not about the pictures being "good" or "bad", it's about challenging convention.
I just wonder if you even know who any of the A LIST celebrities are on that website Dennis posted?
I just think instead of making presumptions on someone's talent or values you could look deeper into the context or epression behind what they are doing, of course, this is the same song and dance the three of us have argued about from the day I joined this site.
I think the whole point that Dennis brought up this specific photographer is because he uses primative equipment for being such a high profile photographer.
A couple of articles on Bob and Terri Richardson.
A write up on Bob Richardson's physical passing, and on his passing on the legacy of fashion photography to his son Terri. Terri is considered to have eclipsed his father in the photography industry
http://www.brink.com/editorial/472
Fashion Photography - A Historical Perspective (Notice the 7th paragraph, guess the Richardson's have already made it into history.)
http://www.garfnet.org.uk/new_mill/spri ... _photo.htm
If you really like his raunchy work, you can pay a premium for a used copy of one of his books "SON OF BOB". Gesh, $100. for a used copy of a book with bad pictures, not too bad. http://www.amazon.com/gp/
product/4947648872/ref=sib_rdr_dp/102-6315844-5821702?%5
Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&no=283155&st=books&n=283155
[I cut the link for better appearance in the forum - dh]
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I just wonder if you even know who any of the A LIST celebrities are on that website Dennis posted?
I just think instead of making presumptions on someone's talent or values you could look deeper into the context or epression behind what they are doing, of course, this is the same song and dance the three of us have argued about from the day I joined this site.
I think the whole point that Dennis brought up this specific photographer is because he uses primative equipment for being such a high profile photographer.
A couple of articles on Bob and Terri Richardson.
A write up on Bob Richardson's physical passing, and on his passing on the legacy of fashion photography to his son Terri. Terri is considered to have eclipsed his father in the photography industry
http://www.brink.com/editorial/472
Fashion Photography - A Historical Perspective (Notice the 7th paragraph, guess the Richardson's have already made it into history.)
http://www.garfnet.org.uk/new_mill/spri ... _photo.htm
If you really like his raunchy work, you can pay a premium for a used copy of one of his books "SON OF BOB". Gesh, $100. for a used copy of a book with bad pictures, not too bad. http://www.amazon.com/gp/
product/4947648872/ref=sib_rdr_dp/102-6315844-5821702?%5
Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&no=283155&st=books&n=283155
[I cut the link for better appearance in the forum - dh]
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Wen,
please do me a favour, everyone here is entitled to his or her own opinions and views, also when these are different from yours ! that however does not give you the right to call others narrow minded and put their integrity in doubt. The fact that some of us have other opinions does not mean that we are less in any ways.
The fact that a certain group of persons or celebs favour a certain photographer does not say anything, i am sure i can find an evenly long list of those who despise him and his kind of art. If you enjoy his work thats fine with me.
We try to be a community with a free spirit and open minds, also in disagreeing even with you. 8-))
please do me a favour, everyone here is entitled to his or her own opinions and views, also when these are different from yours ! that however does not give you the right to call others narrow minded and put their integrity in doubt. The fact that some of us have other opinions does not mean that we are less in any ways.
The fact that a certain group of persons or celebs favour a certain photographer does not say anything, i am sure i can find an evenly long list of those who despise him and his kind of art. If you enjoy his work thats fine with me.
We try to be a community with a free spirit and open minds, also in disagreeing even with you. 8-))
Ruud,
Then do me a favor and you and Paul stop making comments about how tasteless and untalented other people's works are. I don't care for a second what other people do with photography, but I do encourage people to test boundaries, and that is what Terri Richardson does.
I NEVER said I like either of the Richardson's work, DID I? That seems to be a big mistake that you often make in discussions with me, a lot of very faulty assumptions. Maybe I do agree with you that it's pure smut (which to some extent I do), but that is neither here or there. There ARE a lot of agencies that refuse to have thier clients photographed by Richardson because of his controversial sexually charged images, so what, that comes with the territory. The fact is that both have made major impact on the fashion photography industry, and the whole point of where this was going is that Terri Richardson uses simple cameras for his work. I think before you go blasting off about someone's lack of talent you should investigate further. I know of several highly talented people that came to FC.com and were chased out by the two of you because they did not fit your ideal of proper photography or digital art.
I get quite sick and tired of being tag team attacked by you and Paul for what you THINK are MY personal tastes in art and photography. I'm sick of it in comments under the pictures, I'm sick of it in the gallery voting, and I'm sick of it in the text forums. I often just state what is going on or has transpired in the art word as an example that your comments are not always factual or to give a differing view so that people that want to explore are not chased off thinking they are not welcome in this virtual community. Sorry boys, but if everyone did the same photography it would be a damned boring hobby to have. If everyone always followed the rules and colored inside the lines there would never be any advancements and we would still be doing cave paintings. I'm not going to tolerate being treated like crap or be disrespected in either the forums or in personal emails any longer, nor will I ever tolerate it being done to other people. Have all the opposing opinions you want, that doesn't bother me in the least, but as far as I am concerned it is you and Paul that need to respect other's opinions and different styles of photography.
Then do me a favor and you and Paul stop making comments about how tasteless and untalented other people's works are. I don't care for a second what other people do with photography, but I do encourage people to test boundaries, and that is what Terri Richardson does.
I NEVER said I like either of the Richardson's work, DID I? That seems to be a big mistake that you often make in discussions with me, a lot of very faulty assumptions. Maybe I do agree with you that it's pure smut (which to some extent I do), but that is neither here or there. There ARE a lot of agencies that refuse to have thier clients photographed by Richardson because of his controversial sexually charged images, so what, that comes with the territory. The fact is that both have made major impact on the fashion photography industry, and the whole point of where this was going is that Terri Richardson uses simple cameras for his work. I think before you go blasting off about someone's lack of talent you should investigate further. I know of several highly talented people that came to FC.com and were chased out by the two of you because they did not fit your ideal of proper photography or digital art.
I get quite sick and tired of being tag team attacked by you and Paul for what you THINK are MY personal tastes in art and photography. I'm sick of it in comments under the pictures, I'm sick of it in the gallery voting, and I'm sick of it in the text forums. I often just state what is going on or has transpired in the art word as an example that your comments are not always factual or to give a differing view so that people that want to explore are not chased off thinking they are not welcome in this virtual community. Sorry boys, but if everyone did the same photography it would be a damned boring hobby to have. If everyone always followed the rules and colored inside the lines there would never be any advancements and we would still be doing cave paintings. I'm not going to tolerate being treated like crap or be disrespected in either the forums or in personal emails any longer, nor will I ever tolerate it being done to other people. Have all the opposing opinions you want, that doesn't bother me in the least, but as far as I am concerned it is you and Paul that need to respect other's opinions and different styles of photography.
Sorry if you feel attacked, that was in no way ment. You have an opinion and i disagree, what is so difficult about that ??
Maybe we can agree to disagree then ?? 8-)
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Maybe we can agree to disagree then ?? 8-)
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@ Dennis
You won't find his commercial work on the internet Dennis, or at least very little of it. What you will find will be his more personal works. I think that is kind the same with most work on that line. You can't scan your magazines to show, that would be copyright violation. Anyone can pick up a a long list of fashion magazines to see his work, or go to the mall and see it in advertising, or on billboards. I think I probably have 3 or 4 in my own home right now with his works in them, including a write up in a Play Boy about him, and I think there is a Sports Illustrated tucked away somewhere with him too.
You keep up the hard work Dennis and get yourself out there.
@ Ruud
Yes, I get very offended and feel attacked when you gang up with Paul, and I'm not alone in that sentiment.
What exactly don't you agree with? I really don't get what you are disagreeing with. Is it just ME in general? My views on photography and art that you take aim at? Or that you don't agree that Richardson is talented? Terri Richardson is high profile, and he's not a flash in the pan, he's been at it for at least two decades. His father was very well known in the 60s - 80's until he disapeared from the fashion photography scene because of mental illness. We are talking of over 40 years of industry work. In January his image of Carolina Herrera was showcased at the New York Whitney Museum along side the likes of Meisel and Scavullo in a big fashion galla.
We can agree to disagree if you want Ruud, and I'm sure we disagree on a lot of levels from our past run ins, but I fail to see how you can disagree that Terri Richardson hasn't had a very successful career as a photographer. If anything that I appreciate about him is his attitude that he would never ask a model to do what he wouldn't do himself. I don't agree that he gets nude when he shoots nude models, that's just going above and beyond weirdness.
You won't find his commercial work on the internet Dennis, or at least very little of it. What you will find will be his more personal works. I think that is kind the same with most work on that line. You can't scan your magazines to show, that would be copyright violation. Anyone can pick up a a long list of fashion magazines to see his work, or go to the mall and see it in advertising, or on billboards. I think I probably have 3 or 4 in my own home right now with his works in them, including a write up in a Play Boy about him, and I think there is a Sports Illustrated tucked away somewhere with him too.
You keep up the hard work Dennis and get yourself out there.
@ Ruud
Yes, I get very offended and feel attacked when you gang up with Paul, and I'm not alone in that sentiment.
What exactly don't you agree with? I really don't get what you are disagreeing with. Is it just ME in general? My views on photography and art that you take aim at? Or that you don't agree that Richardson is talented? Terri Richardson is high profile, and he's not a flash in the pan, he's been at it for at least two decades. His father was very well known in the 60s - 80's until he disapeared from the fashion photography scene because of mental illness. We are talking of over 40 years of industry work. In January his image of Carolina Herrera was showcased at the New York Whitney Museum along side the likes of Meisel and Scavullo in a big fashion galla.
We can agree to disagree if you want Ruud, and I'm sure we disagree on a lot of levels from our past run ins, but I fail to see how you can disagree that Terri Richardson hasn't had a very successful career as a photographer. If anything that I appreciate about him is his attitude that he would never ask a model to do what he wouldn't do himself. I don't agree that he gets nude when he shoots nude models, that's just going above and beyond weirdness.
Wen,
First of all if you feel offended, sorry i never intended that.
With regards to this discussion, i only gave MY personal opinion on the photographer discussed here, and i am in no way teaming up with Paul. If Paul has the same opinion about Richardson as i have then that is his good right ofcourse.
As far as Richardson is concerned i dont disagree that he has had a succesfull career and i am happy for him.
What i pointed out is only MY PERSONAL opinion about at least a part of his work.
I feel that much of what i have seen from him stands for the lack of style and mediocrity which too often seems to be the norm nowadays.
"Terry is amused that the whole fashion circus regards his pictures as the dernier cri"
Doesnt that basically say it all ??
First of all if you feel offended, sorry i never intended that.
With regards to this discussion, i only gave MY personal opinion on the photographer discussed here, and i am in no way teaming up with Paul. If Paul has the same opinion about Richardson as i have then that is his good right ofcourse.
As far as Richardson is concerned i dont disagree that he has had a succesfull career and i am happy for him.
What i pointed out is only MY PERSONAL opinion about at least a part of his work.
I feel that much of what i have seen from him stands for the lack of style and mediocrity which too often seems to be the norm nowadays.
"Terry is amused that the whole fashion circus regards his pictures as the dernier cri"
Doesnt that basically say it all ??