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Daniel Avasilichioaei, 24.11.2006 at 5:47h

Excellent...
Welcome to FC!

Dominique Duriot, 24.11.2006 at 11:22h

Welcome Doug....
and good luck for the gallery ;))

cheers
Domi

Dennis Maloney, 24.11.2006 at 18:26h

Great compoition...very emotional image...I love it...thanks you so much for sharing it...greetings and welcome to fc, den

BRYAN CRUTE, 24.11.2006 at 18:38h

Very emotional, almost want to reach out to help.
Regards Bryan.

Dirk Hofmann, 25.11.2006 at 12:48h

well done ... makes people think ... this is all a photo can be expected of ...

Leonid Khodyrev, 26.11.2006 at 14:09h

Image with a great impact..

Alexandra Baltog, 26.11.2006 at 21:53h

amazing pic..great impact!
Alexandra.

Susi Lawson Susi, 26.11.2006 at 23:21h

so sad and moving

Dirk Hondelmann, 28.11.2006 at 0:14h

Wow, what a picture!
Technically perfect and with strong emotions.
Most renderings i see here, seem to be done, just to show off technical skills. This one really tells a (very sad) story.

CHEYENNE B., 29.11.2006 at 8:20h

Well done...!
;0) Cheyenne

Miguel Al. Reyes, 29.11.2006 at 14:36h

Yes it´s my favorite.Yor message touch my soul.

Zeki Kurtulus, 29.11.2006 at 18:35h

Dear Doug,

This photo deserves more than just words. Great message and effort.

Regards,
Zeki

Gabi N., 1.12.2006 at 16:26h

an excellent photo!!! thought-provoking...regards gabi

Voting Center, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

This photo was proposed for the gallery, as the voting ended with 47 pro und 53 contra votes. Maybe next time you will be more successful;-)

Dominique Duriot, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

The reason ??
Doug is just new here and I like his work very much.
I want to show it to everybody here because this picture talks to me...
Great work, light, composition and scenary is full of emotion

Welcome Doug !
Hope your picture will get it!!

Siegfried Frech, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

+++

Manuel MM, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Impressive scene .............. PRO

Cees Kuijs, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Pro

Bernhard Stocker, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

good idea, light 4 times from the wrong side... but gallery? not for me, sorry.

Abdul Khaliq, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Techinically Perfect.
A big Pro for emotional touch of that girl. Actually this is colorful sad picture.
PRO

Ivano Cheli, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

pro

Paul Grimshaw, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

As a concept it may have merit but, contrary to Abdul, I feel the execution is lacking in terms of cliched content & the overall realism, especially in terms of lighting. Sorry Doug, but I look forward to seeing more from you and other new members. Regards, Paul.

Theo Weijmer, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Pro

Klaus der Sandmann, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

+

Geoff in Germany, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

wanted to vote against at first
but looking at it longer
pro

Jacky Kobelt, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

pro

Frank Cecconi, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Mmmm... I think Doug has far more interesting work than this pic;-)

Herwig B, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

very difficult....the idea is so extraordinaire to me, that i have very much difficulties to vote contra...but i want to, cuz the technique is everything else than perfect to me...
(like bernhard and want to add that the bird is one motif too much to me). great idea, so i skip. looking forward to more...this looks extremely promising to me....

Robert Riley, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

3D graphics and Rendering Channel.

The Contras are missing the point. As adbul. Could really not be much better FOR THIS CHANNEL!

Oliver Suhr, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

for me a PRO!

Wen P, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I've considered it several times. As someone who has both spent a great deal of time in a wheelchair, having a child that is profoundly disabled in a wheelchair and previously being a national disability spokesperson I view this subject very much in the minority. First thing I pay attention to is how the child got that thin wheeled manual chair onto the sandy beach. That is much more of an obstacle than the playground equipment.

The composition doesn't work, vertical would work better, the bird annoys me and the natural light seems to be coming from the right yet the sun is in the horizon. I can appreciate the message it is trying to convey but I can't vote pro on it.

Robert Riley, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I thought we were commenting on a Photograph!

Jacqueline Chay, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Welcome Pro

László György Király, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Too didactic ... CONTRA

Claire Laira, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Like Abdul...PRO

Claude Coeudevez, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

pro

Christian Knospe, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

+++

Ruud van der Lubben, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Where Wen P says the bird annoyes her, i find this bird just very strong ! The setup with the child in the wheelchair, unable to get to the playground, and then the bird up in the sky which just has that what the child is missing, the ability to move. All this on an underground which seems to be desintegrating. Very strong. Only the technical part disappoints me.

Robert Riley, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

As Art, it a a million times better than Wen's female 'Skin Artists', at the very least it is pleasing to the eye, and not totally disgusting!

Ruud van der Lubben, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I think Mr. Riley is very wrong here by bringing another discussion into the voting on this picture.

Robert L Roux, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

the message is clear and simple -
if only ... pro

Jutta Washington, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

pro
just take a look at the channel if you have doubts about the technical aspect (3d graphics and renderings)

DAZDIArt-house KID Concept, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

NO

Wen P, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I think he is very wrong to bring it up here too Ruud, but that doesn't stop him. Give it a rest Uncle Bob, always willing to DISCUSS views on art with you in the forums, but not here. I'm not going to put up with your personal attacks in the gallery, send me an email about your complaints, you have the address.

Ruud, I think it's more the placement of the bird. I'm put off by the set up of it, not the message.

Heck, we just spent 2 hours driving around Seattle this Sunday trying to find a parking spot for our handicap lift van because it doesn't fit in public parking structures. Ended up parking and walking 8 blocks away in driving wet snow pushing a wheelchair through 6 inches of slush to take my daughter to see a movie. Then we had to wait twenty minutes to be escorted through a series of dark tunnels to out of way segregated seating. If we wanted we couldn't get to the concession stands or bathrooms because we had to wait for the movie to be over to have someone take us back through the dark tunnels. We had paid for tickets to the museum where the movie was playing, but it took us so long to get around all the boundaries that we didn't have time. Then we trudged all the 8 blocks back to the van to find someone had parked next to the lift side that BOLDLY has two large handicap vehicle signs posted on it. So we had to leave our daughter sitting in the darkness in the middle of traffic in pouring rain while we backed up the van up and held up angry honking city traffic up while we dropped down the lift and loaded her in. WHY, because a row of thoughtless people (who would probably not get the message of this picture up for vote) parked their cars in the reserved handicap spots. That's just a typical outing for us. One time I actually tried to take my daughter down to the water in her wheelchair so she could put her feet in the salt water and feel the Ocean. Her chair ended up sinking in the sand and we got caught in the rising tide. Luckily there were strong men around that helped get us to safety.You know, just a few days ago we went to the Space Needle for Thanksgiving dinner. A fun filled, stress free event for most people I am sure. With the decision to do that we also had to discuss how we would handle a terrorist attack because the only way down from the structure if the elevators go out are ladders. We would have to stay behind and face whatever happened. When Hurricane Katrina happened I lost 14 friends because they had disabled children who couldn't travel, who didn't have the same access to the world that a non-disabled person does, they stayed behind with their children and drown. Even with everything my family has personally gone through, every battle we have had to fight, and all the stories of the people I have advocated for, we STILL try to get out there and live as normal as we can. That is what the girl in the picture seems to be contemplating, that first rung of the ladder. Being around wheelchairs what I not only notice about he chair in sand, but I also notice that this is a chair meant to be pushed because it is manual and has no side rails, which means the child did not get there on her own effort.

So Robert, I AM discussing this picture and the message behind it. This picture is gut wrenching to me. I'm discussing it from a very honest and personal level. It represents the daily struggle and how hard it is for a person with a disability to have access to the simple pleasures of life. This picture just addresses a child's dismay at not being able to play, but the reality of what life is like in a wheelchair is much more grim, and just as isolating and lonely as the empty surroundings around the child. Laszlo is right, it is very didactic to people that would rather turn away and not see the reality. It's an uncomfortable message wrapped up in pretty gift wrap as far as I'm concerned. As you have brought it up, I'm not one to shy away from uncomfortable imagery with a message. I give it to the artist for the symbolism, but for the execution I see it as a contra.

Ruud van der Lubben, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Its a fact that at least this picture has been able to create a discussion, and let's hope it will also help to contribute in changing the way of thinking about disabled and their access to all those things we so easily take for granted.

Wen P, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Agree there Ruud.
If the picture makes you think for a moment than it did it's job.

Rob Mitchell, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I'm not judging on emotion, I'm judging on image quality. Fails for me.

Ruud van der Lubben, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Sorry Rob, Image quality and emotion are two things which go together and are equally important. imho 8-)

Michael Henderson, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I like. Hope and Doom. Light vs Dark.

PRO

Véronique Soulier, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

if only you can climb the stair so there is a way after or on the other side .. the idea is good and the work well done and detail for detail maybe the bird could fly in the other direction the one of freedom.. but the artist do what he wants and in a surrealistic image true proportions or shadows are not the point.. Fancy world is not realty even if it reports to it.. Pro !!!

Yasemin Carmen, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

dunno..
the slide seems rather artificial and it does not fit the concept of the photo
maybe pro if it was in b/w
sorry

Dennis Maloney, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

This is a "Pro" in my book, because it make me think, and be grateful for the mobility and freedom that I have...and also for Wen and Ruud for saying just what they feel and see...fc is a wonderful place where people from all over the world can share their talents, views, and express their emotions...as the true artists that we are...I love it....den

Jean Paul Yska, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

+++ This image is really cutting down to the basics. Handicapped child, not able to play here. Bird symbolizes the freedom the the child is lacking due to his/her handicap. Wow!

Dean Linder, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

I understand the meaning and thought of the photo, but like Yasemin said it just doesn't fit together.

Jaime Crystal Maksoud, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

wow this is one amazing photo, that sky is so beautiful and dramatic against the beautiful girl just watching the bright red slide.
emotional and real
a big PRO
well done J
and welcome to FC

Dominique Duriot, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

It's good that some pictures in voting center make lots of discuss and feelings!
Even it won't get the gallery, there are a lot of comments and feelings around and it's good for people to know how it's difficult for those who don't have mobility to try to get a life in our crazy society
I 'm in anger when i saw how some people don't take care of all that Wen said above!

Fell sad also for Wen and want to say "Bravo" for her courage and give her my friendship

Thanks for Doug to share with us

Thanks for all for this discuss, hope everybody will think better with this pain and try to do their best to

Wen P, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

Well thanks for bringing the picture forward Dominique. Just what you are talking about is what the picture represents, at least to me. Helplessness and lack of concern.

In my experience - which has been my entire life because I grew up with an uncle that had CP, I have found that most people would pass right by a situation like this, turn and look the other way, or act like the child is invisable. How many people in real life would actually try to help the child? How many would do what they could to make sure that playground was changed so she and other children with disabilities could have the same access? How many would be moved to the point of petitioning the local authorities to make changes? To stand by that child in your community and make sure they could attend school with peers? I'll tell you, not many. Most would do what is happening right here. They would say "Aw, how sad, poor child." and feel pity. Well, that is the reality, and although this picture comes off as "surreal" it is in fact very real. The child is alone in a vastness, with no assistance. This picture was done by someone looking in, not someone sitting in the chair. What would be a surreal image is if the community was around her, if there were children there wanting to be her friend just because she is another child, if there were parents behind those children that were teaching that disability is natural and part of life and that everyone deserves equal access. Show the child being able to get up that ladder and slide down because people because that is just how things are expected to be.

My experience is that when someone takes an active part in helping a disabled/differently abled person in the community it is because they either work in the field OR they have a close family member. It seems people have to physically experience how exhausting and difficult life can be for someone that has limited access.

Pity isn't what this child, or any person with a disability needs, they need to feel that they are a welcomed and productive part of the community. If pity is what you feel when you see this picture than please reexamine how you view the disabled. If you get angry when you see this then you are looking at it from the eyes of someone sitting in that chair. If you feel helplessness and maybe cried then you know what it's like to have someone with a disability in your life and are forever fighting hurdles to help them have access.

Darinka Mladenovic, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

PRO

Jaime Crystal Maksoud, 5.12.2006 at 7:26h

just reading through this and i totally agree with Wen, robert how can you say her work is discusting ! its beautiful colourful real art !, i think you need to set an example for us younger members ! and stop being so harsh and immiture !

sorry guys i just had to say something, i do appoligise.
Pro again :))))))

Paul Grimshaw, 5.12.2006 at 14:13h

Just to be fair to Robert, Jaime, I think you should read his comments again. He never stated this is disgusting .. he was referring to another set of images linked to by Wen in the forums. Maturity is definately a good quality but also reading posts properly is another :0)

Doug Hough, 5.12.2006 at 18:48h

Thanks everyone for your honest critiques. I smiled as I read them all, and input is always appreciated, both pro and con. Thanks Dominique for nominating this and your thoughtful comments.

Best Wishes, Doug :)

Wen P, 6.12.2006 at 13:23h

It's Ok Jaime. Robert's comment was out of context and confusing. He was refering to a link that I posted to illicite discussion about art called "SKIN". It's not my work, but an exhibition that I was asked to review. It questioned my own values of looking at works of art past the outer superficial "SKIN" of first impression. I posted it to get reaction, and Robert reacted. They are difficult works to view, but no less art. Somehow Robert has confused ME and what MY tastes are for the impression I was trying to share. He's taking it highly personal and has been venting his agression of me feeling a need to put him on ignore in the public areas.

S. Berg, 13.12.2006 at 20:48h

wow-really special...

silke

Ikka Capellan, 3.08.2007 at 22:15h

There' s no need to take more words
" be engaged in your environment,
is the message. Thank you Doug.
Ciao Ikka

Hernan , 28.08.2007 at 23:35h

Hermosa composicion.
saludos

Un momento by Hernan 28.08.07, 22:54h 46 Comments

Robert G. Mueller, 27.09.2007 at 6:27h

For this Picture you get a Perfect from me. The composition and the picture statement is instantiated for those childs who disabled and have the biggest wish to play like a normal child. And so on it is very emotional and make me thinking very deep.

Greetings Robert

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